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Ok America its time to Burn your Bible.

Wed Jun 1, 2011 9:12 AM EDT
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By retired military ex republican.

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When Fanatics sat non Christians must die we need to keep them out of prominent Society.  Teach your children the Evils of Religion. Stop the Fishers and Bauchman and Palins Romneys and Huckabees.

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retired military ex republican.

COH Religion has turned nasty because of politics and war and Religion are mixed into a mass of hate.

Keep the religious right out of Politics now before its to late.

  • 9 votes
#1 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 9:24 AM EDT
Bubba-939441

a mass of hate

But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you

Doesn't sound like hate to me.

  • 14 votes
#1.1 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 9:43 AM EDT
Tina-293371

Except, Bubba, very few people actually practice what you quoted.

  • 14 votes
#1.2 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 9:45 AM EDT
Asheville AllenDeleted
Fla Pat

Religion has turned nasty because of politics and war and Religion are mixed into a mass of hate.

I think a more appropriate statement is... Politics have turned nasty and continues to lead to war and persecution because of Religion.

  • 12 votes
#1.4 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 10:14 AM EDT
Hiram-1381633

There are more people that practice what Bubba quoted than you know. The difference is that they live there lives day by day, quietly going about doing God's work. The have no need for the lime light or the media. And in truth the media has no need for them, they do not cause controversy or promote hate. There is no news value in what they do, except to themselves, those they help and God.

Blessings
H

  • 20 votes
#1.5 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 10:17 AM EDT
Kyle-2710718

Its time to Burn the Bible.

I don't have one.

Is Religion bad?

In theory, no. In practice, yes.

That would be convenient for you left wing godless types

I'm neither a Left or Right winger, but I am an atheist.

  • 11 votes
#1.6 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 10:21 AM EDT
Sir Richard Owen

"... where they burn books, they will ultimately burn people also." -- Heinrich Heine

  • 16 votes
#1.7 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 10:22 AM EDT
CaptainObviousSays

Keep the religious right out of Politics now before its to late.

been to late... for over two hundred years...

nothin you can do to change that now,,,, LOL

  • 7 votes
#1.8 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 10:24 AM EDT
UNA_Lion

There are more people that practice what Bubba quoted than you know. The difference is that they live there lives day by day, quietly going about doing God's work. The have no need for the lime light or the media. And in truth the media has no need for them, they do not cause controversy or promote hate. There is no news value in what they do, except to themselves, those they help and God.

Correct. Such people rarely make news headlines.

  • 4 votes
#1.9 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 10:39 AM EDT
grumpy_jon

retired military ex republican,

There is no doubt that religion, in general, has gotten a bad name; this has been increasingly evident since the Religious Right (I call them Religious Wrong -- feel free to use it) came into being. With slightly less fanaticism, this group has grown almost as dangerous as the Fundamental Islamists. However, this does not counter the fact that the Biblical God is a god of love, who favors love within us, and despises our tendency to hate. We should never box up a group because of the actions of a few (who happen to get the most press, since they make the most noise).

  • 2 votes
#1.10 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 10:46 AM EDT
foodbaby

I cannot agree more with Kyle. Spot on.

I do not sanction book burning of any type. For freedom of speech we must accept the bad with the good.

  • 3 votes
#1.11 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 11:16 AM EDT
Pastor.Wade

Teach your children the Evils of Religion.

Then teach your children evil its self. Jesus Christ came to save them, from the Devil. Salt and Fire, is the way of The Lord. He shall return to the earth. He will take revenge on those who defile his image and his teachings.

  • 3 votes
#1.12 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 11:17 AM EDT
Kyle-2710718

Salt and Fire, is the way of The Lord. He shall return to the earth. He will take revenge on those who defile his image and his teachings.

So much for a kind, benevolent, loving and forgiving "god". /s

IF this deity exists, it should prove it.

Until then, it is no more real than Santa Claus, leprechauns, the Easter Bunny, or the Tooth Fairy.

  • 3 votes
#1.13 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 11:31 AM EDT
foodbaby

Why would an omnipotent deity need revenge? or followers for that matter. If that is your deity pastor then keep that evil being to yourself

  • 3 votes
#1.14 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 11:32 AM EDT
Pastor.Wade

Kyle.

Remember what you said. The stench of evil might remind you as you try to forget.

  • 2 votes
#1.15 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 11:34 AM EDT
NativeAmerican-1289371

More people have been killed in the name of God than any other cause.

  • 4 votes
#1.16 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 11:35 AM EDT
LordFluffy

Hmm... Pastor.Wade, you signed up today?

I get the "Fire and Salt" thing from Mark, Chapter 9:49. However, I think you should take a strong look at verse 42:

If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them if a large millstone were hung around their neck and they were thrown into the sea.

...because such is all I see out of fire and brimstone teaching.

That is assuming that you're serious and not just here (and in a couple of other seeds) to stir up trouble.

Either way, you're not exactly making a convincing argument. Are you, perhaps, a minister down at the Parish of Ujelly, Patron Saint of the Trolls?

  • 3 votes
#1.17 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 11:43 AM EDT
Truth Sleuth

Religion has turned nasty because of politics and war and Religion are mixed into a mass of hate. Keep the religious right out of Politics now before its to late.

Couldn't agree with you more. I would, however, amend the second sentence to say, keep religion out of politics, period--right and left. And, I say, no need to burn books. The Holy Bible is not a bad literary work, it's just bad when people abuse and exploit its words. A moral, good and decent human being doesn't necessarily have to be religious or believe in deities.

  • 3 votes
#1.18 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 12:34 PM EDT
AlanG

Salt and Fire, is the way of The Lord. He shall return to the earth. He will take revenge on those who defile his image and his teachings.

After all, what is God if not the ultimate smiting machine, right? {roll eyes} Here in the 21st century there is a word to describe this kind of statement: scarelore.

  • 2 votes
#1.19 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 12:51 PM EDT
Truth Sleuth

Scarelore. Very descriptive. Also, fine word, "smite." And "smote." Love them.

  • 1 vote
#1.20 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 12:59 PM EDT
Kyle-2710718

Kyle.

Remember what you said. The stench of evil might remind you as you try to forget.

LOL! I spent 3 days in Washington DC a few years back. Still trying to wash off the stench.

I'll believe in your "god" again, when 100 flying monkeys shoot out of my butt and start singing the Star Spangled Banner.

Yeah... 100 patriotic, flying butt monkeys should do it. /s

  • 4 votes
#1.21 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 1:00 PM EDT
Truth Sleuth

I'm going to have a hard time erasing that image. Good one.

  • 3 votes
#1.22 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 1:03 PM EDT
Kyle-2710718

I'm going to have a hard time erasing that image. Good one.

LOL!!!

  • 2 votes
#1.23 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 1:22 PM EDT
Charles McKenzie

Retired --

I agree with your statement below....

"COH Religion has turned nasty because of politics and war and Religion are mixed into a mass of hate. Keep the religious right out of Politics now before its to late."

...but burning the Bible is not the answer. The right wing is full of antichrists who only look at the parts of the Bible that they agree with while ignoring the parts they don't (they even created a Conservative Bible -- which is totally disobedient to God). Their god is not Jesus, the Lord, God, or whatever, their god is cold, hard cash. They're really hate-filled idol worshippers. If you want to place Christ in today's political arena, He'd be somewhat left of center (not a Liberal, mind you).

  • 2 votes
#1.24 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 3:19 PM EDT
xrayspex

Burning books is a moronic act. The only books I will ever support banning are those that are criminal in nature (like child pornography), even then, they should be properly disposed of, not burned in an idiotic homage to our cave men ancestors!!

As I've said before, the quickest way for the Republicans to ensure they have no shot at unseating President Obama, no chance of retaining their House majority or gaining a Senate majority is for the "social conservatives" to run the show. The best way for the religious right to be minimized is for the ugliness of some of them to be on display. That ugliness will force Independents to pull the lever for Democrats, who will probably blow any 2012 victory just like they blew the 2008 one!!!

  • 2 votes
#1.25 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 3:30 PM EDT
Reply
T Bourlon

You don't need to burn bibles or ban religion to do this. What, is it time for Fareignheit 451?

  • 7 votes
Reply#2 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 9:42 AM EDT
NativeAmerican-1289371

Burning bibles would be a good alternative energy source during cold winter nights...

  • 4 votes
#2.1 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 11:36 AM EDT
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Tina-293371

Can't burn my bible: don't have one.

Organized religion can be used for good or for evil. Only we rarely hear from the folks who are using it to help others, only from those who are trying to control others.

It infuriates me that the Christian Taliban is trying to turn our country into a theocracy.

  • 9 votes
Reply#3 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 9:44 AM EDT
LordFluffy

Can't burn my bible: don't have one.

Grab the one in the drawer at the next hotel you stay at. They won't mind. It's where I got the one I keep on hand for reference.

  • 4 votes
#3.1 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 10:54 AM EDT
Bubba-939441

It infuriates me that the Christian Taliban is trying to turn our country into a theocracy

Does it also anger you that Mr Obama, at a white house prayer breakfast, declared Christ as his Savior? Would you consider him the Christian Taliban? I was actually proud of the President for making that declaration.

  • 6 votes
#3.2 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 10:59 AM EDT
foodbaby

Lord, that reminds me of a story of when I was young and dumb. I was in a hotel with some other inhebriated youts and they started tearing apart magazines to make it snow. (why this was funny I no longer know). I did not have a magazine so i reached into that drawer and pulled out the inevitable hotel bible and started shredding it. The room stoped (about 12 other stupid kids) and stared at me. I just looked at them and said "even if you believe in this book, it is JUST PAPER" The snow storm ended there.

  • 2 votes
#3.3 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 11:19 AM EDT
Truth Sleuth

Does it also anger you that Mr Obama, at a white house prayer breakfast, declared Christ as his Savior? Would you consider him the Christian Taliban? I was actually proud of the President for making that declaration.

Not asked of me, Bubba, but I would venture to say--and I mean this as no disrespect whatsoever toward Obama--that he's probably not a religious person at all. Problem is, in modern-day politics, such a thing (being unreligious or atheist) is the politial kiss of death, and Obama is smart enough to know that. In politics nowadays, politicians must profess their faith and wear wedding rings and flag lapels. Otherwise, rumors fly. It didn't used to be that way, and it's a shame that it is today.

  • 3 votes
#3.4 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 12:39 PM EDT
Rhep

I just looked at them and said "even if you believe in this book, it is JUST PAPER"

You can still respect something even if you don't believe in it.

    #3.5 - Thu Jun 2, 2011 1:02 AM EDT
    foodbaby

    rhep, notice i said this happend a long time ago in my youth.Would I do it now? no. Not because I respect a book of fiction, but because it would not be my property and someone else would haveto clean it up. As far as ripping a bible up. To me its just a book with words it would be the same as ripping up a harry potter book. and in 99.999% of the time that would be pointess. So no I really do not respect the bible. Parts have wonderful literature and some nice messages. other parts a re contradictory to other parts (bad story telling) and other parts are down right evil.

    • 2 votes
    #3.6 - Thu Jun 2, 2011 11:52 AM EDT
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    Asheville AllenDeleted
    evilgenius

    I do not support the Evangelicals in the slightest, nor am I even slightly religious. That said there is no reason to burn Bibles(Korans/Torahs/whever book) or demonize the millions of peaceful Believers of whatever religion out there. It is when you mix religion with politics that gets my blood pressure up.

    • 10 votes
    Reply#5 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 9:54 AM EDT
    NativeAmerican-1289371

    Simple solution: Tax the damn churches that dabble in politics instead of being about the Lord's business.

    • 3 votes
    #5.1 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 11:33 AM EDT
    TR-421173

    That I can agree with, Tax The Churches.

    • 1 vote
    #5.2 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 2:30 PM EDT
    LordFluffy

    And what other institutions, should we find we disagree with them, would you like to levy taxes upon in punishment?

    I'm against taxing churches for the power to tax is the power to destroy, or in this case, silence. And as I'm a member of a religion that isn't exactly mainstream, I find such an ability rather excessive.

    I agree that those who preach from the pulpit should risk losing their tax exempt status, but I'm not for blanket taxation of any religious institution, Christian or otherwise.

    • 3 votes
    #5.3 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 2:40 PM EDT
    TR-421173

    All businesses, agree or disagree with them. It is not a religion, or any religious beliefs that should be taxed, it is the places that are selling religion. You do not need a building, or a preacher (priest, rabbi, etc...) around for you to be religious or steadfast in your belief system.

    This is not to suggest that you abandon your church or your faith. For one thing, any religious organization that lives up to its commitments to its congregation and community would have nothing to fear from filing a tax return, just like every other non-profit. For another, when these institutions pay taxes like every other non-profit, each citizen's tax burden is significantly lessened and consequently he or she maybetter endow a worthy institution with individual support.

    It is the flip side of the same coin: as your right to practice a religion must be respected by government, it may not support churches by tax subsidies or any other means.

    Tax-exempt status is a privilege - not a right - (Nor a "punishment") and churches should be held to the same standards as other non-profits - if not higher standards.

    As for your being a member of "a religion that isn't exactly mainstream", you should be for it. Not all religious organizations enjoys tax breaks, only those our government deems legitimate. Is government in the business of deciding what is or is not a legitimate religion? Doesn't every instance where government makes such a determination amount to "respecting an establishment of religion?" Should the taxes of non-religious citizens be higher to subsidize every church, synagogue, and mosque in town? Should working women pay taxes to subsidize clergy and other employees' paychecks, when such positions are overwhelmingly - and legally - restricted to men?

    The current scheme is unfair and unnecessary. Churches can and should pay taxes, just like everybody else.

    • 2 votes
    #5.4 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 3:01 PM EDT
    LordFluffy

    You do not need a building, or a preacher (priest, rabbi, etc...) around for you to be religious or steadfast in your belief system.

    Many religions do require a space to practice certain rituals, though. The community coming together and making one of those happen isn't "selling religion".

    Tax-exempt status is a privilege - not a right - (Nor a "punishment")....

    A tax added because you have issue with the organization, not because you feel they profiting unfairly, is a punishment.

    If you have issue with how churches conduct themselves, why not complain to them first rather than stripping away a legal protection?

    Not all religious organizations enjoys tax breaks, only those our government deems legitimate.

    Actually, the government doesn't deem them appropriate or not. The belief system involved is not ever in question, only the structure of the organization and it's state purpose.

    And even if not all religions were equal in the eyes of the law, why would that mean I'd want those that were recognized be somehow torn down rather than my own elevated?

    • 4 votes
    #5.5 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 3:30 PM EDT
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    mark-331372

    Sorry but it's not the Holy Bible which is at fault here, it's people. I've never seen a Bible hurt anyone yet but I have seen many Christians hurt each other by their own words. The Holy Bible is the greatest book ever written, in my opinion, yet probably the most misunderstood manuscript. To place fault on it or religion is the same as placing fault on a loaded gun. It's not the gun that kills, it's the person who pulls the trigger. People who use the Holy Bible, Christianity or any other religion for that matter to persecute or spout their misunderstood beliefs are as wrong as someone picking up a loaded gun and pulling the trigger. If they don't understand how to use the tool then someone will get hurt. It's unfortunate that Christianity, for an example, has become a tool of hate and persecution, but it doesn't have to be that way. Christianity in itself is not a religion but a faith based movement whose intent is to spread the good news and to promote love of neighbor, not a medium for killing or persecution in the name of God. If the Holy Bible is the true word of God, and I believe it is, then its true intent is to love and if we all just followed that one command then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

    • 6 votes
    Reply#6 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 9:56 AM EDT
    foodbaby

    You have never seen the bible hurt anyone? Then you never saw Sister Laverns mean and acurate throwing arm. She could pitch a bible with pinpoint acuraccy! Them bibles hurt!

    On a sericous note. Thank you for adding "in my opinion". Because in my opinion the bible is not the greatest book but I respect your opinion and I hope you respect mine. Because thats the biggest problem with the religion debate in America. The "believers" as a whole have no respected others opinions for a long time and "non-believers" as a whole are respecting "believers" opinions less and less. Seems like the same is going on with Politics. But again that observation is just my opinion.

    Overall nice post and this comes from an atheist. Cheers!

    • 2 votes
    #6.1 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 11:28 AM EDT
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    klm-547227

    I'm not a huge fan of organized religion but burning books is a no no. Banning of religion is a no no. This is not communist Russia. I don't want anyone telling me I have to be a christian ( any type) or any religion and I damned sure don't want anyone telling me I can't be. It is just as intrusive for the government to tell me one as the other. Damn people "banning" is wrong!!!!!!!

    • 2 votes
    Reply#7 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 9:57 AM EDT
    Tyler Durden-330839

    Book burning is so Nazi.

    Ask Ratzinger.

    PS Go read "Homage To Catalonia".

    • 2 votes
    Reply#8 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 10:02 AM EDT
    retired military ex republican.

    The book burning is a reflection of Americans in a formal religion announcing the burning of the Curran. Burning the book will actually send a signal to the right wing extremest Politicians that were fed up and not going to take it any more. The formal Church system is on a collision course with antiquity. Churches are for sale all over this area some are rebuilding and consolidating some are just folding. Politics and religion and threats from the Church on how to vote and how to treat other religions even where they happily coexist is bringing them down. The far wing extremest are now moving into politics because they are the radicals who can be controlled with contributions to the church heads. Ah-men

      #8.1 - Fri Jun 3, 2011 11:20 AM EDT
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      Tina-293371

      I think that Retired Military is using the term "Burn your Bible" as a metaphor. I may be wrong.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#9 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 10:09 AM EDT
      retired military ex republican.

      Tina-293371

      "I think that Retired Military is using the term "Burn your Bible" as a metaphor. I may be wrong."

      That is or was and should still be correct. If we cannot find a way to correct the path our formal religions are taking Churches who have quit supporting the middle cllass and they attacked the Middle class Politically then operat food banks for the poor. Its almost a take money from the rich to back eliminating the jobs so radical Republicans can continue to devastate the middle class. A starving family is easier to guide than a family financially stable with good jobs a well cared for family members. For many millions of Americans the basic needs are not being met and the safety nets medicare and Social security are being attacked by the Right wing Republicans who the Churches support.

        #9.1 - Fri Jun 3, 2011 11:35 AM EDT
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        onefan51

        Teach your children the Evils of Religion

        Hate is a religion. Intolerance and violence against others in the practice of religious beliefs is hate.

        • 4 votes
        Reply#10 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 10:13 AM EDT
        Mateo-660030

        is there an article here that i'm missing? what is the context? for someone complaining about hate this seems rather beligerent. not very liberal, either.

        • 5 votes
        Reply#11 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 10:46 AM EDT
        Bad Fish

        Someone needs a coexist sticker on their car and a hug. The battle between the nonbelievers and the believers is becoming rather boring. Learn to be tolerant of the intolerant.

        • 5 votes
        Reply#12 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 10:50 AM EDT
        LordFluffy

        Your "article" convinces me of one thing: Newsvine should have minimum length requirements.

        • 9 votes
        Reply#13 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 10:51 AM EDT
        tesla013

        hehehehe :-)

        • 1 vote
        #13.1 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 12:47 PM EDT
        retired military ex republican.

        Taking snippets from the article leads one easily to misconstrue the intent of the author. Shorten would be good but many have disagreements on the articles meaning even when it is all presented.

          #13.2 - Fri Jun 3, 2011 11:42 AM EDT
          LordFluffy

          1) Invest in commas.

          2) Your article pretty much consisted of "Religion sucks, amiright?"

          Presenting, I don't know, any constructed argument that might give insight into or make one question the nature of religion as a subject or Christianity as a doctrinal choice might have been interesting.

          This was just an insult with a poll attached to it.

          • 3 votes
          #13.3 - Fri Jun 3, 2011 11:55 AM EDT
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          tesla013

          Do not allow liberals to politicize each and every issue they cannot counter or defend. It is time to stop liberals from defining anything they find offensive or simply do not understand as hate, bigotry, racism, or some form of phobia. "Burn Bibles." "Teach your children the evils of religion" indeed. Teach your children not to hate as the liberal does. Teach your children not to label and disparage that with which they do not agree. Teach your children that values are a positive thing, not something to be overcome. Teach your children to never allow themselves to be labeled by those who hate, nor be fooled by those who would claim tolerance and yet stand against its every meaning. Teach your children that men, not religion, nor the Bible are the harborers of hate and evil as well as good and virtue. Teach them that the choice between good and evil is always theirs to make. Teach your children that their hearts will know the good as well as recognize the evil. Teach them to trust themselves.

          • 6 votes
          Reply#14 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 10:52 AM EDT
          Fla Pat

          Teach your children that men, not religion, nor the Bible are the harborers of hate and evil...

          That goes for all men, not just those on the left as your comments imply.

          Teach your children not to hate as the liberal does. Teach your children not to label and disparage that with which they do not agree.

          It amazes me that anyone could include a clear contradiction to the argument they put forth in the same argument!

          • 4 votes
          Reply#15 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 11:03 AM EDT
          tesla013

          Because liberals put themselves above others Pat they should expect different treatment. Yep I singled them out here as an example a fine example of intolerance and hate. One must address ones audience Pat.

          • 5 votes
          #15.1 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 11:13 AM EDT
          foodbaby

          tesla, by posting what you just posted, doyou realized you did what you accuse liberals of?

          • 3 votes
          #15.2 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 11:30 AM EDT
          NativeAmerican-1289371Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

          All conservative compassionate Christians are self-righteous hypocritical sons of bitches.

          • 4 votes
          #15.3 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 11:31 AM EDT
          Bad Fish

          Welcome to Generalization vine. If you state it, it must be fact.

          • 7 votes
          #15.4 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 11:35 AM EDT
          tesla013

          Yes I do realize but I do not try to hide my disdain for the liberal agenda nor my campiagn against it foodbaby. Honesty sets me apart from the liberal.

          • 4 votes
          #15.5 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 11:46 AM EDT
          LordFluffy

          Tesla, if the only thing that sets you apart from liberals is that you detest liberals, then you have nothing useful to add to this or any debate.

          And for the record, there's nothing particularly "liberal" about burning Bibles or thinking religion is harmful, any more than converting by the sword is a plank in the conservative platform.

          Intolerance when met with intolerance is only magnified.

          • 5 votes
          #15.6 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 12:16 PM EDT
          tesla013

          Many more things than my mere detesting set me apart Fluffy. But your assertion that I have nothing to add to any debate is unfounded and based on nothing more than a single comment. I would have expected better coming from you. I tolerate liberals each and every day of my life what I will not tolerate is hypocrisy and the arrogance that says one is better than all because they say they are. You disappoint, Fluffy.

          • 3 votes
          #15.7 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 12:51 PM EDT
          LordFluffy

          You disappoint, Fluffy.

          And you have offended me, tesla. I know we've had discussion elsewhere, but your first volley was nothing but a damning generalization and it went downhill from there. If you feel you must denigrate an entire political spectrum, then either temper your thoughts explicitly, to demonstrate you are not simply making a indefensible blanket statement, or expect to get called on on making an indefensible blanket statement..

          I am a moderate, but I know enough people who identify as liberals to know that your statements are untrue, if not vicious lies. You say you expect better of me, and perhaps you have reason. But I know I expect better of anyone than the shots you've taken in this comment thread.

          Good day to you. My opinion of your disdain and intolerance remains unchanged by your protest and rebuttal.

          • 3 votes
          #15.8 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 2:00 PM EDT
          Sally

          All conservative compassionate Christians are self-righteous hypocritical sons of bitches.

          NativeAmerican-1289371, you should know better from all your past suspensions. This is a violation of # 1 of the Code of Honor.

          Above all else, respect others. Address issues and arguments and refrain from making personal attacks.

          You are suspended for a week.

          • 4 votes
          #15.9 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 2:51 PM EDT
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          baddestbob

          Do not allow liberals to politicize each and every issue they cannot counter or defend.

          of course, conservatives would never ever ever do such a thing! good thing the cons never resort to those devious evil tactics employed by the liberals. karl rover would never be caught politicizing an issue he could neither counter nor defend. might i remind you of the commandment regarding the spreading of falsehoods. i don't know which one of the ten it is, but i'll look it up. wait just a minute. it's here somewhere. dammit, some SOB stole my gideons!

          • 3 votes
          Reply#16 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 11:07 AM EDT
          wilson view

          Read bible or church attendance will only makes people minds become stupid. It is wise to burn the bible or staying out of touch of the bible. Religion quotes such as In God we trust should not be printed on US paper currency or used as US motto because it violate the separation of church and state. Religion quotes such as In God we trust should only be hang at the church instead.

          • 2 votes
          Reply#17 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 11:10 AM EDT
          NativeAmerican-1289371

          The Bible (aka The Good Book) is good.

          Religion is bad--especially the rightwingnut preachers that preach their twisted hateful racist, xenophobic, science-hating warped misinterpretation of the Bible.

          • 2 votes
          Reply#18 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 11:29 AM EDT
          foodbaby

          "Religion is bad" Ok Mr. Mackey!

            #18.1 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 11:33 AM EDT
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            jsweck

            Doctrine is really an explanation (a rationalization) for a belief that won't go away, typically from childhood. The belief programmed by your parents is the cause of the mythology, not the doctrine. Although old doctrine is sometimes used in the indoctrination process. Also, some people are not just prejudiced with the core ideas like souls and gods, but with the validity of doctrine itself. When a person is prejudiced with doctrine's validity, and then see the inevitable differences between doctrine and the world, they blame the world, not the "perfect doctrine". Sometimes people in this quandary take harsh action. This is because they "know" the perfection of doctrine (they were prejudiced as kids with exactly that idea).

            The reason religious people's ideas are so slow to change, is precisely because a subset of them literally can't stop believing in doctrine's perfection. There are many smart people in many religious communities that would love to replace the entire ediface, but "reinterpretation" is all they can manage in this context. This reinterpreted text, filled with relatively modern ideas about how we should live, is they best they can do.

            In the end, people have to come to their own conclusions about the world. If they can face their religion as a myth, they can make due without doctrine, it's no longer needed. But many can't make that leap, and for them doctrine is their only bridge back to reality. They have built their entire perception around elements that are explained in the doctrine (they see god everywhere, or see souls everywhere, a spiritual world). Doctrine doesn't have to be perfect, and like any book cannot be, it just has to be good enough to live a good life (given what they can't stop believing).

            Doctrine is not just generated by religious people, any person that can't stop believing something from their childhood will spin doctrine to explain that belief. All people that are prejudiced and smart generate reams of explanitory doctrine. A person that is prejudiced can't judge themselves anywhere near their own prejudice, it just comes out as "absolute truth".

              Reply#19 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 12:42 PM EDT
              WILDWONDERFUL

              Wasnt this Bible burning tried once before centuries ago ?

                Reply#20 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 12:48 PM EDT
                TheAmericanWay

                Let me know when you make it back to reality. This is just crazy talk here.

                  Reply#21 - Wed Jun 1, 2011 1:18 PM EDT
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